There are records for every genre of music I listen to, whereas almost nothing I listen to is ever released on SACD. I don't know which is more truthful. Show Printable Version; 12-12-2012, 03:54 AM #31. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. all on Hybrid Multichannel SACD, in a special edition box set limited to 2,500 numbered copies! Also available as 45 RPM double LPs in a box set. Boy, what a difference. The choice between the two depends on personal preferences and the desired. Mono audio was the first of all the (analog) audio formats and formed the basis for radio and analog TV for many years; including vinyl records. Every time. I can't believe there's any real debate over MFSL SACD vs. Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. just WAY better than either the Blu-Spec CD or regular CD. I have two completely different setups for vinyl, and digital, and my vinyl is always a little more bass and drums heavy, past that, no glaring differences. Id agree with the guy about the old cd and sacd not being *that* much different other than a bit more resolution. Vinyl. After that, what format is it available in? And which represents the best mastering? It's as simple as that. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. It is now showing as ‘in stock’ on the Acoustic Sounds. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Stax, SACD vs. 8224 MHz. The original purpose was a sonic comparison of MQA to SACD in the physical realm. - John SunierMoody Blues "Question of bal. View entire discussion. It sounds manipulated and phony. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. November 4th for CBAT. I only have a single SHM-SACD - it’s superior compared to every format I’ve heard the title on, including the MoFI SACD. During the summer I don't get much seat time in front of the stereo so it might be a week or more before my next chance. 10 per disc, while the royalty on a DVD-Audio disc was around four times higher. A vinyl record that is even slightly warped, or has a hole that is not perfectly centered, will have “wow”—slow variations in pitch. This is the average EQ of the first track, Tears of. Vinyl. Get the DCC Gold CD of the Platinum-SHM mastering. Even better than the regular SACD with even clearer presentation. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. As to the two selections, one is the Bob James Trio – “Espresso ” and the second is chlara. Pepper hit the charts. I've heard to the contrary, that the QUAD version. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Moody Blues "Question of bal. By AJ Wykes • June 22, 2023 These days the vast majority of the music we experience is stored digitally. While the standard CD format is tied to a 44. Price $3,499. What you're saying about DACs, i. It seems that while expensive turntables, tone arms and phono stages are easily jusitifed in these type of. Thread: SACD Vs. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. Then I bought the new SACD version. 1 setup. SACD vs. however you need to be extra careful as there are many SACDs where the MultiCh content is not only distinct in being a different mix but a different mastering from the Stereo and that Stereo version can often just be a recycling of the current CD remaster the label had at the. You're comparing a fully mature fomat (vinyl) with what, 80 years of development behind it, to one with 4 years or so. But the more I listen the more I enjoy music, tint and all. Also, I know that SACD didn't really catch on, but I see. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. 4) Making Movies - muted, no drum slam, muted highs. well i'd say you have to take it on a title by title basis with SACD, as with any medium source and mastering are key. Mastered: Doug Sax, James Guthrie, Joel Plante. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. Vinyl. DVD-Audio vs Vinyl vs. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. So, out of sheer desperation, I ordered the standard US CD from Amazon. It's ok if you like 'that' sound. 1 kHz and 16 bits of information per sample. When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. Vinyl. SACD vs. New media New comments Browse Albums Search media. One of the benefits of SACD is the dead quiet background. Decca’s landmark recording of Wagner’s 15-hour epic, Der Ring des Nibelungen conducted by Sir Georg Solti is the most celebrated classical recording in history. SACD sure isn't growing but Analogue Productions, MFSL, Refefence Recordings and Universal/Sony out of Japan/HK continue to release new albums on SACD. Gooey black bag houses an extremely high quality record sleeve with postcards, posters, 320 kbps MP3 download and sturdy inner sleeve and a very nice vinyl record in a plastic sleeve. 98: Whitney Houston / Whitney. But I don't have an LP with the exact same mastering as an SACD so I can't do any type of apples-to-apples comparison (and even then equipment comes in to play). However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. Anyway, my sense is that good vinyl and good SACD are probably comparable but there are a lot of other variables such as quality of the music system etc. Note the word “indistinguishable. To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering. Home. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Merch Rep the community and hobby you love so much. Data read from an SHM CD is no different to the data red from an ordinary CD. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. All Activity; My Activity Streams . Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. They pretty much mirror each other in my opinion. CD - page 2 Filters for SACD and DVD-Audio . Share Jun 15, 2007 at 8:50 AM Post #29 of 33 Forest Design 100+ Head-Fier. . The Dark Side of the Moon produced two singles: "Money" and "Us and Them. 00 or less 23 vote(s) 13. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. 3. Madman Across the Water SACD vs CD vs LP. (Warner 3010-2, mastering credit: Perry, Caillat) for 9. DVD-Audio/SACD vs Vinyl sound quality? Discussion in ' Music Corner ' started by Vinophile, May 22, 2006 . Even vinyl has enough dynamic range to cover that. The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. I can hear the difference between CD and vinyl, and between CD quality and high-def audio. UPC: 093624979340: Availability:. Half-speed mastered at Abbey Road Studios and pressed on 180g audiophile vinyl. But I don't like surface noise or pops or skips. Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (25th Anniv) (2019 Vinyl DGC B0029512-01) Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (Vinyl HR 180G) Paul. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more, go for the SACD. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. CD. There is some technology that JVC uses to make the. After an extensive shoot-out lasting 53 hours, I'm. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. The overall DR between the 2 is very close. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Since this is just for SACD vs SACD I'll start a thread on my preferred mastering for jazz and classical for all digital formats. In my opinion Vinyl, SACD and DVD-A are all of sufficiently high resolution that, assuming comparitive quality playback and media, the recording and transfer / mastering is going to be making the differences between which will deliver superior sound quality. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Stereophile SACD test Hi everybody, I've just joined this forum after reading this thread on the Stereophile test. 2. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Slight increase in frequency range and they also have a lot more features on the Blu-ray disc that are fun to play with. It's very difficult to set up a direct A/B comparison between SACD and CD. Many audiophiles choose to embrace both formats, recognizing that each. All great stuff and this combined with the revitalized vinyl market bodes well for my enjoyment of music at home and is a much brighter picture than I saw when the future of audio seemed only CD and compressed. The SACD vs. The vinyl reissues of this title (box set and standalone) are revelatory. The data is read by a laser, and then decoded to produce audio playback. The Beethoven symphony cycle on LSO Live (Haitink, 2006) is an SACD hybrid set. Hybrid Stereo SACD. Dynamics are out of this world. The string attack, decay, soundstage, and imaging are way ahead of the SACD. . Both vinyl records and Super Audio CDs have. The vinyl was much better. The MFSL SACD I could tell immediately that it didn't hold a candle to the MFSL 2-45 issue, or I think even the MOV mono pressing. (Figures IIRC, can't find citation at the moment. On the other hand, at least to my ears, the bass lines are noticeably subdued on the 2012 SACD compared with the 2002 redbook CD. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. I think I'll go Classic Records Vinyl at least for the first three albums, possibly "Passion" and "Us" too because those are also analog recordings also if I remember correctly. One example is excess Volume Compression in modern music. The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. The dynamic range of vinyl is about 75dB, CD is 96dB, SACD is 120dB, and the human ear picks up 130dB. According to a theorem called. SACD vs. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. . ? I jumped into the SACD thing because I wanted agood digital source for my CDs so I said why not pay some more and get SACD. I agree with you about surface noise. SACD. The following are not reviews in any way—nothing I say really matters. Some may prefer the analog warmth and tactile nature of vinyl, while others. Virtual. . On a CD, the separation between the left and right channels used in recording is over 90 dB. the HDCD, the single-layer SACD, the MFSL SACD and vinyl, the Audio Fidelity vinyl, and the RSD candy-colored 150-numbered-limited pressing. I’ll explain in a minute, but first I want to make sure we know what the SACD format is, and what makes it different from a standard compact disc. cporcp, Jun 28, 2021 #7. The SACD follows quite closely behind vinyl, however it sounds more sterile even though you can hear as much detail as you can with the vinyl. A good vinyl record (that is scratch free, been cleaned on a vacume based record cleaner) sounds better then a CD, with again broader, deeper sound field, smoother over all audio, etc. On the Analogue Productions SACD, the treble cacophony is bathed in a cushion of hall ambience that is far more realistic and less strident. But Sony is almost 4 times more. Buy both. Both are also 4K UHD Blu-Ray players. The remastering has added the humanity and warmth Mozart requires. The real difference between various releases is the quality of the mastering. November 4th for CBAT. It was released on two formats: On vinyl record, as an Ultradisc ‘One-Step’ Limited Edition 33⅓ rpm LP, pressed on Neotech’s Super Vinyl™ contained in a commemorative slip box, (and), on CD, as a single Ultradisc 'UHR' Super Audio Compact Disc (SACD) contained in a gatefold card sleeve. SACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. The 16/44. BD Pure Audio is basically the same as DVD-A except it's encoded to 96/24. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Edit; I forgot I have one. I cant tell the difference with the CD's as they dont have as much range and clarity as the other 2. The fact that the DSD pulse train VISUALLY happens to look more like the analog signal than the string of binary numbers that result from PCM encoding is meaningless - since both must be converted to analog audio anyway. SACD can get really close to how good vinyl can sound but not deteriorate so for me SACD wins. New posts Search forums. Again, though, the Blu-Spec CD sounded better than the regular CD - just a bit more fuller, more definition and tighter bass and treble extension over the CD. I have to say that 3 songs into the SACD I shut it off and went back to the vinyl. No other version other than their double 45 rpm vinyl (also mediocre) sounds like this. I've heard to the contrary, that the QUAD version. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. It lacks the deep bass of the Abkco pressing but sounds so much more "vivid" and real. Quote: Originally Posted by FenderP To me, it's not about formats. . Hard to say which sounds better, but they both sound very hard to top. Dylan 'Desire' MFSL SACD and vinyl* Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jack White, Aug 2, 2013. You can’t go wrong there. Nevertheless, the advantages are obviously. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. At least they aren’t loudified. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. Japanese Import. Recent MoFi controversy spurred me to compare sound of MoFi Vinyl to CD, SACD to CD, DSD to FLAC. Hello, I have never listened to a SACD system and would like to know how it compares to vinyl. Dylan 'Desire' MFSL SACD and vinyl* Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jack White, Aug 2, 2013. 10/disc royalty for CDs. SACD vs. One is the MFSL version which I loved. I do have an unwrapped Cramberries (best of) SHM CD with me. On the one hand, Norah Jone's 2012 Come Away with Me SACD has better overall sound quality (dynamic range, detail, etc. Szeppelin75 Forum Resident. Never heard the 2003, soi i can't vote, but the 20016 BG cut sounds amazing to my ears. SACD vs. CD: SACD’s high resolution and dynamic range typically exceed those of standard CDs, resulting in a potentially more detailed and accurate listening experience. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The MoFi absolutely kills the Sony. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Fred Dender and Grampire like this. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. So, Changes CD is DR 12 and Changes SACD is DR 11. For Up, SACD is the one to get. " Arrival Date To Be Announced " for the others. With respect to SACD vs. Search first posts only. I guess it shows you how much cheaper. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Vinyl. Digital vs. Bluebook The right price. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. But when I find an album that is available in SACD vs Vinyl----SACD 90% of the time, unless the LP is a collectors items and LTD edition. The SHM CD would have an edge over standard CD but would not surpass Vinyl and SACD, DVD-A if the pressing is mastered properly. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. although I get the impression they just don’t put the same effort into the SACD release. So far my favorites from each format are as follows: SACD: Eric Clapton - Journeyman DVD-A: Fleetwood Mac - Rumors DVD (Dolby Digital/DTS): Eagles. Re: Super audio cd vs dvd audio. SACD or BluRay or good old fashioned CD's will never have the back catalog that vinyl has if your willing to dig through the crates. On the Analogue Productions SACD,. Vinyl is better than CD because it reproduces higher frequencies than CD and avoids anti-aliasing filter issues at the frequencies CDs can reproduce. . I may have to compare the SHM-SACD or other CD versions to this SACD to see if it improves at all on those. I live near a JVC distributor and have access to many of the titles. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. View entire discussion. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. Direct Stream Digital (DSD) is a trademark used by Sony and Philips for their system for digitally encoding audio signals for the Super Audio CD (SACD). It sounds great; a very good remastering job. A vinyl record vs a SACD is very very close. Vinyl for me. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. " The album topped the Billboard chart for a week, and remained on the chart for 741 weeks from 1973 to 1988. They also don’t degrade with each playback, unlike analog records. Bluntness acknowledged as you being quite passionate, or convinced that the 20th anniversary SACD version is poor at best It was actually the first SACD I bought many years ago, even without owning an SACD capable player at the time. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. Other than that, the DSD bit stream should be exactly the same for the SACD part. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me. Rolling Stone ranked them No. Might as well jump: Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has announced that Van Halen's first six multi-platinum albums originally released on the Warner Bros. SACD (white) vs Bluray (blue) The pressing quality of 2022 vinyl is not always perfect, but often a wash will solve the problem. Moody Blues "Question of bal. DSD vs SACD vs Vinyl Whenever I look for an older album or artist, seemingly WITHOUT FAIL they are not available as a DSD download. Steely Dan's gold-selling fifth studio album The Royal Scam, was produced by Gary Katz and was originally released by ABC Records in 1976. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. This setup would be more flexible and cheaper overall. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountI purchased the Immersion box when it was released for the surround mix. Quick links. Vinyl. The individual versions will be available on September 16, 2022 with the Deluxe version available from October 7, 2022. If you like those genres then I can support jumping into SACD's in 2022. SACD has no digital filter and relies totally on the analog low pass filter at the output of the DAC. g. I don't know which is more truthful. Certainly better than 3 or 4 other vinyl versions I have owned over the years. One of the fun things about this hobby is screwing around. When it comes to the debate of cardioid vs super cardioid for live. 49. Whilst many (recent) multichannel SACDs are more about ambience, others are about using the system to provide an immersive sound (e. However, play the SACD mono mix (or Sundazed mono vinyl-whatever you've got) on a half decent stereo system today and all the heavy compression, notch EQ-ing, and tricks he had to pull are exposed: the vocals are generally cranked up, that tambourine is really loud, and Crosby's rhythm guitar is generally buried in the mix. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. But again, I'd love to be proven wrong. $12. CCR SACD vs new vinyl. But the dramatic difference occurs in vinyl. So - the SACD ain't the original, but it's a much better option than anything on vinyl except the MoFi vinyl issue. Wave 8 Primary equipment used: AKG K1000/ASL AQ-1005 DT/ASL Wave 8/Marantz SA8260 SACD player Stax Classic System II/Music Hall MMF-5 Turntable/Creek OBH-8 (This thread is multiple forum-spanning, I just chose. The ABCX-758A/B as mentioned above is my favorite. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". #3. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. Compared to the vinyl, more rounded, less real. comparing your AV receiver's DAC to your CD player's DAC is completely valid. By Paul Sinclair. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. Mirror Image Forum Resident. The recording/tracking ability of vinyl is easily at least 50 kHz and perhaps as high as 100 kHz. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. $750. 00. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. . . Moody Blues "Question of bal. • UHQR Vinyl Record. #5. Vinyl has more. I don't know which is more truthful. A SACD does sound better then a redbook CD. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Dec 10, 2005. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. • 180 Gram Vinyl Record. Virtual. High Resolution: SACD offers a significantly higher sample rate and bit depth, resulting in more accurate and. My sony bdps590 sacd output in lcpm to my AVR sounds different to my Cambridge audio dvd89 analogue out and foobar2000 lcpm out. Whether you are just getting started building a classical music collection, or a seasoned collector, there are many ways in which to enjoy the music. SACD is a very nice addition if you maintain a decent stationary rig anyway. That leaves Soft Parade which also was released by Audio Fidelity. No change in data , no change in sound , simple as that. . DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. Animals is a concept album, focusing on the social-political conditions of mid-1970s Britain, and was a change from the style of the band's earlier work. culabula, May 3, 2020 #11. As for a good sacd,the one recording i really is by Roger Waters "in the flesh - live". Tullman, Jul 31,. The standard CD format is a 2-channel, 16-bit, 44. SACD. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player. #4. I played the SACD in my Sony XA5400ES SACD. Whereas some others where I am pretty familiar with it's vinyl 'equivalent' I could tell even without direct comparison that the vinyl was better, like Kind of Blue for example. NorthNY Mark and Espen R like this. It is a high-resolution digital. . Unfortunately, the vinyl and CDs were impressive but not immersive. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering and. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . he worst is shelling out $25 or $30 for either and after a long search and sometimes a long wait for import or re-pressing, the thing sounds. If you want to try SACD on a budget (relatively), the Sony UBP-X800M2 Blu-Ray player plays SACDs (as well as DVD Audio, which does high-res surround). sacd superior to rbcd Login / RegisterAllowing for the quality of the youtube audio , that is pretty much what you would expect to hear from those 3 different masters and Its not really fair to say its a CD vs SACD vs Vinyl thing. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. More 'holographic', deeper staging. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Nantes, France. But when I find an album that is available in SACD vs Vinyl----SACD 90% of the time, unless the LP is a collectors items and LTD edition. I don't know which is more truthful. So I did. Vinyl vs SACD. Quote: Originally Posted by regal The sampling rate 44. The question of whether SACD sounds better is subjective and nuanced. g. Both formats offer unique qualities that appeal to discerning music enthusiasts, and the choice between them often comes down to personal preference and the pursuit of sonic perfection. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. S. SteelyTom likes this. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD.